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Post by mash on Jul 15, 2010 22:31:02 GMT 1
well is 90% enough? cheaters still got the upper hand^^^
at least one little cheat command or bot can give u enough advantage.
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Post by ¦ËÑÇLÂV˦Çhrøñîç* on Jul 16, 2010 15:00:03 GMT 1
Those 10% will have an advantage, yes. That doesn't mean they will win any game however. Of course they can backstab you quite suddenly with that speedhack as fast as you look the other direction and they will know where on the map you are at all times but still.. watch your back, look where you're going and be ready for someone racing at you from behind a wall or corner at any moment and you'll probably win AND get those cheaters to bail the server cause they are too pro to get beaten by a noob without hax.  |
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Post by mash on Jul 16, 2010 17:45:26 GMT 1
Those 10% will have an advantage, yes. That doesn't mean they will win any game however. Of course they can backstab you quite suddenly with that speedhack as fast as you look the other direction and they will know where on the map you are at all times but still.. watch your back, look where you're going and be ready for someone racing at you from behind a wall or corner at any moment and you'll probably win AND get those cheaters to bail the server cause they are too pro to get beaten by a noob without hax. ye. i think the ones that use hax will never be caught anyway. only stupid ones get caught. so we will never know who hax and whos not. and about aimbot ? speed bot? its not funny when ur enemy has advantage: |
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Post by ¦ËÑÇLÂV˦Çhrøñîç* on Jul 16, 2010 18:43:43 GMT 1
Not too funny no but when you kick their arses without anything fishy running on your machine it gets a lot more fun.  |
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Post by mundas on Jul 16, 2010 19:15:25 GMT 1
ok so i signed up here again to clarify some things about cheating and anticheating (thanks shex for activating my account).
no, this mutator is not the magical cure against cheats. speedhack still works (as Chronic saw) because theres more than one way to do it. also any sort of visual hack still works if you know what youre doing or have the cheats from someone else (wallhack etc.).
havent looked into the mutators code too much but i would guess aimbots also work, assuming someone is using one (thought aturn seems to be blocked).
now im not here to diminish the work Karigard (and probably others) put into this. this mutator pretty much fixes everything a mutator can possibly fix.
but i think everyone here should know that just because the mutator says a player is clean theres still a chance (and a large one at that if hes an experienced cheater) he uses cheats.
p.s: some constructive critism about the mutator itself, i find that locking someone for using the worthless targettoggle hotkey is over the top. so many noobs and even grown players hit that key by accident. i htink its better to just silently block it (besides if someone really aimbots he sure doesnt use targettoggle for it..)
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Post by mash on Jul 16, 2010 19:57:44 GMT 1
ok so i signed up here again to clarify some things about cheating and anticheating (thanks shex for activating my account). no, this mutator is not the magical cure against cheats. speedhack still works (as Chronic saw) because theres more than one way to do it. also any sort of visual hack still works if you know what youre doing or have the cheats from someone else (wallhack etc.). havent looked into the mutators code too much but i would guess aimbots also work, assuming someone is using one (thought aturn seems to be blocked). now im not here to diminish the work Karigard (and probably others) put into this. this mutator pretty much fixes everything a mutator can possibly fix. but i think everyone here should know that just because the mutator says a player is clean theres still a chance (and a large one at that if hes an experienced cheater) he uses cheats. p.s: some constructive critism about the mutator itself, i find that locking someone for using the worthless targettoggle hotkey is over the top. so many noobs and even grown players hit that key by accident. i htink its better to just silently block it (besides if someone really aimbots he sure doesnt use targettoggle for it..) iv heard allot of this aimbot. never saw how it works. anyone can explain? |
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Post by Karigard on Jul 16, 2010 20:05:40 GMT 1
Everyone seems to think that people can still cheat with this. Maybe that's true, but does it really have to be this way? No it doesn't! If you know about cheats that still work, then by all means tell me. Send me a PM. Complaining about cheats won't help. Reporting those cheats helps a great deal. Detailed information is preferred (not like: I think XYZ cheats, because he moved weird).
It's up to you guys. You are the community. Get a grip and help us anti cheat makers.
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Post by mash on Jul 16, 2010 20:08:40 GMT 1
how should i know how cheats work? give me some idea and i will look it up. i got no idea how it works. do u need special files? or do u just use commands? for cheats
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Post by PyroManiac* on Jul 28, 2010 0:58:42 GMT 1
You put some files into your system folder, then you run rune, press F2 for example and you get a list of diffrent ways how to cheat or activate diffrent things or change options. I am wondering how you dont know that shit Mashit, or perhaps Orcun or Gnome never showed you? Well atleast they showed others.
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Post by mash on Jul 28, 2010 14:40:32 GMT 1
You put some files into your system folder, then you run rune, press F2 for example and you get a list of diffrent ways how to cheat or activate diffrent things or change options. I am wondering how you dont know that shit Mashit, or perhaps Orcun or Gnome never showed you? Well atleast they showed others. alright. u guys have been fucking with orcun and gnome for cunturies now. and its only talk. iv never seen any paper. but if they showed me the cheats than i wouldnt suck now like i do would i? i would be cleaning each game easy. |
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Post by PyroManiac* on Jul 28, 2010 15:23:29 GMT 1
It is okay to defend your friends Mash, noone blames you for that. |
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Post by shexpeare on Jul 29, 2010 2:00:44 GMT 1
Lets try to focus on the actual cheats instead of the cheaters here.
When Karigard said he could make a new anti-cheat we gave him all info about cheats that we had. Im quite sure there are more cheats that we don't know about. So of course those cheats might still work.
How can you block something you didn't even know existed?
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Post by mash on Jul 30, 2010 10:18:16 GMT 1
It is okay to defend your friends Mash, noone blames you for that. orcun doesnt play rune anymore. same with serdar/invoker, serdar played a little longer. but gnome loves rune and he still plays.(sometimes) due to the fact that everybody thinks he cheats. gnome is banned everywhere. thats why i got a sanctuary for him and all others. i got bhb server where nobody gets banned. and btw leave that shit allone. i know and i have wittnessed how many have cheated. i wont say any names. but i know many guys that have cheated among us. why should they still be allowed to play and not gnome? |
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Post by =[VnB]=BM* on Jul 30, 2010 11:57:31 GMT 1
I'm glad we're a bit up to date now, at least the majority gets blocked now. I think it's almost impossible to have everything blocked. It'd give nasty side-effects and maybe even noticeable lag/delay on the server.
UT is a cheatersheaven too, from what I know. Considering UT has the same engine, a lot of these cheats actually get ripped from UT, UT has more scripters and is in an advanced stage I think it'll never be possible to fix this old buggy game.
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Post by PyroManiac* on Jul 30, 2010 16:15:59 GMT 1
BM you are absoluetly right here, you cannot block all cheaters because first of all you dont get your hand to all the cheats which are out there. Secondly majority of the cheaters are also good coders, so they will recode the cheat and voilaa. Look for example at Chakuza, he is a really good coder and has coded many anticheats, but after that he always has realased another cheat which works with those anticheats. One sad fact is that, i have heard people creating cheats, who i would never expect to do that TSB~Tyr for example. The only good thing about these anticheat mutators is that we can block noob cheaters. The other good thing is that, when we suspect someone and it is quite obvious he is not clean, you can always ban him because it is your/our server. One of the sadest things is that, i play this game since 2001 and because of seeing so much things in this game and having much experience, i know pretty much of what you are able to do and what you are not, so its obvious i belive what i see, but there arent many other ways to prove everything. So cheaters will roam in rune till it dies?
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